中方是否观望等着与下届美总统再谈-驻英大使回应

中方是否观望等着与下届美总统再谈?驻英大使回应
原标题:刘晓明大使接受美国全国广播公司采访实录 来历:我国驻英国大使馆 2019年11月14日,刘晓明大使在到会“法国巴黎银行全球商场大会”并宣布宗旨讲演后,接受了美国全国广播公司财经频道(CNBC, Consumer News and Business Channel)资深记者安奈特·威斯巴赫采访,就华为、中美联系、中英联系、英国脱欧等问题论述中方观点和情绪。采访内容于15日在该频道“欧洲财经论坛”(Squawk Box Europe)节目播出,并在网站和推特一起刊登,实录如下: 主持人:关于华为及其设备在5G网络中的效果,有许多不同的观点。对此你怎么看?你能否向欧洲和美国的顾客确保,华为设备不存在任何问题? 刘大使:我以为,华为和其商业协作伙伴之间没有什么问题,由于华为的确是一家很好的企业,它不只为英国的电讯业展开做出巨大贡献,并且很好地履行了企业职责,在英雇佣约2万名职工,出资30亿英镑。华为是5G技能的领先者,英国电讯企业都欢迎华为。当然也有一些杂音,有些国家不肯看到华为在欧洲的展开,向欧洲国家施加巨大压力,我就不点这个国家的名了。 到现在,英国、德国、法国等欧洲国家对此仍存在不同定见,仍在进行评论,政府没有做出最终决议。咱们了解一些国家的安全关心,华为对此也了解,并且正在尽力处理这些安全关心。华为成立了彻底由英国人组成的网络安全评价中心,出资请专家来监测、剖析华为的设备是否存在安全隐患和问题。因而,华为是十分揭露通明的,他们期望能成为很好的协作伙伴。正如我常说的,华为将为中英、中欧5G范畴协作带来“黄金”机会,制止华为意味着错失良机。 我衷心期望英国、德国、法国政府从本身国家利益和对华协作动身,做出正确挑选,而不是受暗斗思想影响,更不能搞政治镇压。我期望华为能在英国完成互利双赢协作。正如我刚才在讲演中所说,我国敞开的大门只会越开越大,咱们也期望其他国家相同坚持敞开,而不是对我国关上大门。 主持人:你提到了暗斗,中美之间的地缘政治紧张状态让人感受到一丝暗斗气味。欧洲接受压力,没有做出决议,对此中方怎么看? 刘大使:咱们现已说得很清晰,我国无意与美交兵,不管这是暗斗,仍是热战,仍是交易战。咱们期望与美国树立协作、和谐、安稳、不抵触、不对立的联系。中美是国际上最大的两个经济体,中美联系是国际和平与昌盛决议性要素。中美合则两利,斗则俱伤。因而咱们对与美开战不感兴趣。 我快乐地看到,中美商洽官员正在赶紧尽力工作,处理交易问题。咱们不要求欧洲国家在中美之间选边站队。英美有特殊联系,但中英也在致力于打造“黄金时代”。咱们寻求互利共赢,而非“零和”游戏,既不是欧洲赢、美国赢而我国输,也不是我国赢、欧洲赢而美国输。咱们期望咱们完成共赢,这便是咱们的情绪。 主持人:咱们谈谈中美交易商洽第一阶段协议吧,协议好像现已达到,但还仍存在一些难点。中方以为症结在哪里? 刘大使:我以为两边正在就细节进行密布商量。我并不了解细节,即使我了解,我也有必要慎重表态,避免搅扰商洽进程。但依据我的了解,关税应该是重要议题之一。加征关税不契合自由交易准则,“交易战”起于加征关税,也应该以撤销一切加征的关税而告终。我期望第一阶段协议能赶快顺畅达到,以便可以进入第二、第三阶段。 主持人:有人以为知识产权维护也是中美交易商洽的一个焦点,中方在此问题上是否会有所退让? 刘大使:改革敞开40年来,我国在加强知识产权维护方面付出了实在的尽力,获得了超乎寻常的前进,这一点毋庸置疑。首要,人们应该必定我国所获得巨大前进。其次,中方认真对待美国等国家在知识产权问题上的关心,也供认各国均需求不断改进。正如我常讲的,没有哪个国家是完美的,国际上最大的空间便是不断改进的空间。第三,我以为动辄责备、声讨毫无好处。一些西方政客责备我国“盗取”美国技能,这种说法是彻底过错的。我国的展开奇观靠的是我国人民曩昔70年的艰苦奋斗,不是靠“偷盗”它国知识产权。西方应该公平客观地看待这个问题,而不是责备我国“偷盗”。这样才有益于两边就这一重要议题展开协作。 主持人:特朗普总统说过,打赢交易战很简单,对此你怎么看? 刘大使:我在许多场合都讲过,交易战没有赢家。 主持人:关于交易商洽进程,你以为有时间表吗?很明显,下一年美国将举办大选,交易战将与选战交错在一起,我国是否持张望情绪,等着与下一届美国总统再谈? 刘大使:我以为这不是中方的情绪。我国持敞开情绪,咱们期望问题处理得越早越好,由于这不只契合中美两国的利益,也契合全国际的利益。中美交易抵触已给国际带来许多不确定性、不行猜测性,全国际都很重视,中美两边商洽官员职责重大。我以为中方不会张望,这不是咱们的情绪。咱们期望赶快达到协议,可是“一个巴掌拍不响”,需求两边一起作出尽力。 采访中,刘大使还就我国经济、中英联系、英国脱欧答复了记者的发问。 英文实录: On November 14, 2019, Ambassador Liu Xiaoming gave an exclusive live interview on CNBC with Annette Weisbach after delivering a keynote speech at the Global Markets Conference 2019 held by BNP Paribas。 He shared thoughts on Huawei, China-US relations and trade negotiations, China-UK relations, Brexit and other questions。 The interview was broadcast on CNBC “Squawk Box Europe” the next morning, and carried on CNBC website and twitter。 The transcript is as follows。 Weisbach:There’s a lot of controversy about Huawei’s role in 5G network and its equipments。 What is your response here? Can you assure European and also the US consumers that there won’t be any sort of problems with those equipments? Ambassador Liu:I do not foresee a major problem between Huawei and their business partners, because Huawei is really a good company。 They contribute a great deal not only in terms of telecom industry in this country, but also in terms of corporate responsibilities。 They employed about 20,000 employees and invested 3 billion US dollars in this country。 And they are the leader in 5G。 I think the British business partners still welcome Huawei。 There are some noises。 I don‘t want to name the country。 They do not want to see Huawei have a better presence in European countries。 They twist arms of, they put pressure on these countries。 But so far, I think some European countries, like Britain, Germany, and France, have not yet made a final decision。 In terms of government decision, I think it is still debated, with divided views。 We understand people might have some concerns。 Huawei also understands the so-called security concern, so they try to address this concern。 Huawei has set up Cyber Security Evaluation Centre staffed by British people。 Huawei paid for this facility to monitor and analyze their own facilities – whether they are secure and safe, whether there‘s a problem。 So they are very transparent。 They want to be a good partner。 I always say that Huawei will present golden opportunities for China and the UK and for China and European countries to collaborate in 5G。 If you kick out Huawei, you really miss opportunities。 So I do hope that, the British government, German government, or French government, they will make decision based on their own national interests, based on their collaboration with China in building a strong partnership with China, but not based on some political witch hunt or, I would call, Cold War mentality。 So I do hope Huawei will be here for win-win cooperation。 As China will open its door wider, I do hope other countries will also open their doors and will not shut the doors to China。 Weisbach:You have said Cold War。 And it feels a bit that these geopolitical tensions between United States and China do have a bit of a feel of the Cold War。 And also, it feels that Europe has to make up its mind, at least the pressure is on Europe。 How do you see China positioned here? Ambassador Liu:We make it very clear。 We‘re not interested in any war, whether it is cold war, or hot war, or trade war with the United States。 We want to build a cooperative, coordinated, a non-confrontation relationship with the United States。 We believe that there will be no peace or prosperity in the world without sound relations between China and the US, the two largest economies in the world。 We always believe that China and the United States will benefit from cooperation and lose from confrontation。 So we are not interested in any wars with the United States。 I’m very pleased that Chinese and American negotiators are working very hard to address trade issues。 With regard to Europe, we do not ask European countries to take side between China and the US。 The UK has a special relationship with the US, but we’re also building a “golden era” between China and the UK。 So we want to work for win-win, not a zero sum game。 Not Europe wins, America wins and China loses。 Not China wins, Europe wins and America loses。 We want win-win for all。 That is our position。 Weisbach:Let‘s talk about this phase one deal between the US and China, and where the sticking points are, because it seems that the deal is within reach but there seems to be some sticking points。 What are they from the Chinese position? Ambassador Liu:I think the negotiators are still very much occupied with the details。 I do not have the details。 Even if I had, I would have to be cautious。 I don‘t want to interrupt the process。 But I think the tariffs might be one of the very important issues, based on my understanding of the negotiations。 Because the trade war started with the tariffs, it should be ended with removing all the tariffs imposed by the other side, because it is not in the spirit of free trade。 So we do hope that we can clinch the phase one deal sooner, so that we can move on to phase two and phase three。 Weisbach:What one is hearing is that intellectual property rights are also at the center of that debate or the negotiations。 Would China be in a position to compromise a bit in that stance? Ambassador Liu:China has made great efforts in the past 40 years since the reform and opening up in terms of improving the intellectual property right。 First, I would say people should recognize the tremendous progress that China has made in this respect。 Number two, we also realize that we need to do more。 As I always say, the largest room in the world is the room for improvement。 So no country is perfect, but we are serious about addressing the concerns of other countries, including the United States。 That is the second point I want to make。 Third, I don‘t think resorting to war of words, accusing each other, is helpful at all。 Some politicians criticize China for so-called “stealing technology” from the United States。 I think they have a wrong impression。 China’s miracle is not built on theft of other countries’ property。 It’s built by the hard working people of China in the past 70 years。 So I think you really have to address this issue in sincerity and try to tackle this problem with honesty, sincerity, rather than accusing China of so called stealing。 That will be helpful for the two sides to work on this important issue。 Weisbach:President Trump once said the trade war is easy to win。 What would you respond to that? Ambassador Liu:I said on many occasions that there will be no winners in trade wars。 Weisbach:And let‘s talk about the further evolution of the trade negotiations。 What do you think will be the timeline? Because we are clearly, next year, heading into new elections in the United States, so it could be all tied together。 Would the Chinese position rather be to wait and see who will be the next president? Ambassador Liu:I don‘t think that is China’s position。 We are open-minded。 We always want to resolve this problem sooner than later because we believe it is in the interest not only of China but also of the United States, also of the world。 The trade war between China and the United States really created a lot of uncertainties and unpredictabilities。 And I think the world is watching。 I think the negotiators of the two countries really have a big duty on their shoulders。 I don‘t think it is the intention of China to wait and see。 That is not our position。 We want to clinch the agreement as soon as possible。 But you need two to tango, right?

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